The presumptive nomination of John McCain proves what I have felt for some time now; the national Republican party cannot be the vehicle for real conservatism.  John McCain is pro-war liberal who will likely take us to war with Iran.  Of course the same might be said of Hillary Clinton.  McCain will do nothing to halt the tide of illegal immigration that threatens to overwhelm America's cultural core. He will certainly not pursue fiscal restraint.  He will most likely continue to use the nebulous 'War on Terror' to justify further intrusions upon the privacy and liberty of Americans. 

Many who call themselves conservatives are upset at having McCain as the nominee, but the fact is that all of these factors have been present in the Bush presidency as well.  I cannot understand why many conservative Christians still seem to think that Bush and his party are the good guys while demonizing the Democrats.  I despise the Democratic party as well, but it wasn't a Democratic president who signed the REAL ID into law.  Any president who says that the Constitution is "just a g-d d----d piece of paper" is no friend of mine. 

I will still support individual Republicans whom I believe exemplify true conservative principles, but the party as a whole is not worthy of any conservative Christian's support, unless one believes that starting useless  and unjust wars, spending recklessly on social programs, and violating the Constitution in the name of security embody the essence of conservatism.

I urge all my fellow conservative Christians to stop being duped by the Republican party and reject the candidacy of John McCain.  The lesser of two evils is still evil, and there are alternatives for voting this year.  I encourage you to investigate the campaign of Dr. Chuck Baldwin, a Baptist pastor who has recently won the nomination of the Constitution Party.  His platform can be found here.

Well , since obviously no one else wants this , I will take a crack at it.

wow, are you sure your conservative or is that just tic ?

well here we go..

I want a Shogunate.

Just to put in a lighter topic:

 Jenna Bush's wedding is today.......................I am really looking forward to the wedding pictures that will be published.

I agree.  We need less govt., not more.

I am going to have to do more research on the candidates, once this Democratic thing gets settled.  A person would think that Obama and Hilary are the only ones on the ticket the way this thing is getting attention.

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I hope we will not attack Iran, but in the debates almost all of the Republican candidates refused to take off the table the option of preemptive nuclear strikes against Iran, a country which doesn't even have nuclear weapons!  Israel on the other hand, is a nuclear power and is more than capable of defending herself without America's financial and military aid.  I hope what you mean by having "the stomach" to deal with Iran is not being willing to slaughter thousands of innocent people of a nation that has not attacked us yet, because that would be a travesty of immorality.

Iran is bad news, they have vowed to "wipe Israel off the map", they are supporting with money and arms and training the palastinians, humas, and hezbollah.

The lack of concern most Christians seem to have over government wiretapping and other intrusions into the privacy of Americans astounds me.  To say that if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't mind is absurd!  Believe me my friend, when the time comes, they will use this unjustified power to persecute the church; we will be the terrorists.  We cannot afford to trade liberty for security!

And that persecution is biblical, I welcome it.  The trade has already been made.  Look , here is my prophecy (TIC) Obama will be President, your liberties are gone, wire tapping will be the least of your worries.  He is for gun control, the only way to enforce gun control is for EVERYONE to register there weapons.  What do you think that will lead to?

Bush may not have planned to have all this happen, but, according to Irvin Baxter, the neoconservatives were planning for regime change by force in Iraq, Iran, and North Korea long before September 11.  I know that the president has had a great burden to bear, but that's his job!  To be prepared to lead the American people wisely in any circumstance comes with the territory, and Bush has not done so.

Thats a little unreal don't you think ?  Unless your parents were perfect when they had you , then you are saying they should not have had you.  How many of Irvin Baxter's predictions have come true ?  Just curious.



The point of my post was not to justify the Dems, but to point out that the national Republicans and the Bush administration are as bad or worse, especially because they claim to be conservative.

I will give you this much, the Republicans really blew it the first 4 years of his term when they were in control, we will pay for the next 8 years...Dems will have complete control of the house , senate and the wihite house.

The particular war I had in mind is the invasion and current occupation of Iraq, a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.  The idea that we can impose American-style democracy and values on any country by force is abhorrent to true conservatism, and the idea that we could do so in a Muslim country is even more absurd.  Our men are being killed for a fool's errand.

I totally disagree, this one burns me up because so many like yourself are not educated on the facts of this war.  Why did Bush say he went to war ? WMD's and 9/11 seems to be the only 2 of the several reasons Bush listed. (how convenient)  What about the rape rooms ?  What about the hundreds of thousands masacred, men, women and children whom we are digging up out of mass graves.  What about the financial support for the palastinian bombers families..(am I the only one to notice the sharp decline in suicide bombings since the fall )..You can go to the store and come back and pray you are not a statistic of some sexually perverted person...they go to the store hoping they are not the victim of their own governments sexual perversion...can you imagine wondering from day to day whether or not your own police were going to rape or kill you or your family ?  Wouldn't you pray for someone , anyone to do something ?

The funny part is most who want us out of Iraq are complaining because we are ignoring Darfur for the same things.

As to your closing remarks, I do belive that the prophecies of scripture will inevitably be fulfilled.  However, does it follow that we have no say in how or when it comes to pass?  God's will will be done, but God chooses not to violate the gift of human free will.  The scriptures show multiple examples of human action actually altering the course of God's action.  Just because these things will come to pass doesn't mean we shouldn't stand up against them!  As you say, our main goal should be spreading the gospel, but wouldn't you agree that the longer we hold out against the Antichrist, the Mark of the Beast, and Armageddon, the more time we will have to reach the lost? 

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Yes , I believe we can pray for more time, but if it is to be it will be delayed not by our works, but by the grace of God.

Do I have y'alls permission to print this off and show it to my teacher? I think she would really enjoy this. (I'm not trying to offend y'all or mock y'all, but this is very interesting.)

Fine by me.  We are a very opinionated group here.