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POSTED BY: psteinsholt on 05/05/2008 19:35:45


I heard someone say, God Bless America a few days ago.  I want God to bless America.  But, in watching the news I got thinking about God Bless America and I had to ask myself, Why would God want to bless this mess?
Sometimes other religions that dont even worship the one true God, have closer walks with their God than Americans do with the Lord Jesus Christ.  America is a mess in a lot of ways.  I love America but I honestly wonder why God would want to bless it and the stuff that goes on in America!





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POSTED BY: Claire22 on 05/06/2008 00:02:10


Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?  If one faithful man was found in it, God would have saved it.

Yes, I know that America has alot of faults, but, there is a church!  I believe that as long as there is a people who are willing to stand up............God will bless.  Because the U.S. is the best country that the church can have, in spite of all the problems.





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POSTED BY: dlubow on 05/06/2008 02:19:38


unfortuntely that has lost it's meaning and now it is just words to many.
aour fore fathers meant every word of it.





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POSTED BY: BroGinder on 05/06/2008 02:35:19


God is still God.  I believe what he said and thats that.  He will bless this country so long as we remain friends with Isreal.  If we break our ties with Isreal then we are surely in trouble and wont be blessed.  Imagine where we would be without the hand of God protecting us.





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POSTED BY: Claire22 on 05/06/2008 05:55:06


I believe that God is blessing us partly because of Israel..........but, the main reason is that He has a church here, that is still pressuring our govt. and society  and reminding them that the church is still here in America.






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POSTED BY: psteinsholt on 05/06/2008 06:18:58


I am so very thankful that God doesnt look at us like he did Sodom and Gomorah and destroy us.  He is a jealous God. The lost will go to a game and have more of a love for the game than for praising our Lord and Savior.  Some have more love for partying, clubing, drinking kinda like in the days Of Noah.  Some idolize sports figures, Nascar drivers, Rock stars,   Again, I am thankful we are not destroy for it.





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POSTED BY: starheel on 05/07/2008 04:31:42



BroGinder wrote:

God is still God.  I believe what he said and thats that.  He will bless this country so long as we remain friends with Isreal.  If we break our ties with Isreal then we are surely in trouble and wont be blessed.  Imagine where we would be without the hand of God protecting us.



I don't know about you, but I think in a lot of ways America was better off morally and politically in the time before the state of Israel existed.





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POSTED BY: Claire22 on 05/07/2008 05:33:50



starheel wrote:


BroGinder wrote:

God is still God. I believe what he said and thats that. He will bless this country so long as we remain friends with Isreal. If we break our ties with Isreal then we are surely in trouble and wont be blessed. Imagine where we would be without the hand of God protecting us.



I don't know about you, but I think in a lot of ways America was better off morally and politically in the time before the state of Israel existed.

Politically - there was alot of corruption in the U.S. as it is now.  Morally, yes........but, Israel didn't have anything to do with that.  American people themselves made the moral decisions even before Israel became a country again.





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POSTED BY: Claire22 on 05/07/2008 06:38:58


You raise up some good points, Larry. 

God will bless where there is a church that is vibrant.  In fact, the church world as a whole is showing more political muscle in the U.S., and has stopped even more moral decline.

Israel is not the same as it was before.  Most Jews have mixed blood lines........but, they still claim that heritage.  How many know what tribe they belong to?  I don't know.  Some do, as geneaolgy was really important to them.  Many didn't even know of their Jewish bloodline until WWII.

My personal belief (please don't jump over this - this is my PERSONAL belief) that the U.S. should stand behind Israel, as it was the original seed.  Some people may disagree.........to me, that is their opinion.  I won't argue.

Good post.  I don't think that people will be agreeing as everyone will have all sorts of opinions.





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POSTED BY: starheel on 05/07/2008 08:46:48



larry_boy_44 wrote:


Claire22 wrote:
You raise up some good points, Larry. 

God will bless where there is a church that is vibrant.  In fact, the church world as a whole is showing more political muscle in the U.S., and has stopped even more moral decline.

Israel is not the same as it was before.  Most Jews have mixed blood lines........but, they still claim that heritage.  How many know what tribe they belong to?  I don't know.  Some do, as geneaolgy was really important to them.  Many didn't even know of their Jewish bloodline until WWII.

My personal belief (please don't jump over this - this is my PERSONAL belief) that the U.S. should stand behind Israel, as it was the original seed.  Some people may disagree.........to me, that is their opinion.  I won't argue.

Good post.  I don't think that people will be agreeing as everyone will have all sorts of opinions.



I guess this is my point:

1. Just because they are Jews doesn't mean putting them in the middle east was smart. There is a reason that there was 500 years of wars over Jerusalem (read: The Crusades). We are, in a lot of ways, in another set of Crusades ever since the UN decided that Jews would have a country where ancient Israel was...

2. supporting Jews has nothing to do with actually supporting the political entity of Israel which has nothing to do at all with what is known as "Israel" in the Bible except they claim to be descendant from them.

Jews invented Kaballah in the 1st century, should we all go and plop down a bunch of money on a bunch of Kaballah-related merchandise?

3. A lot of the "let's support Israel!" seems to be coming from those who believe in a pre-trib rapture and that its coming in the next few years. The only problem is that the reasons that they think it is coming are things that they are actively supporting our government doing. In other words, in a lot of ways, they are trying to FORCE the end-times to happen. And that just doesn't work.

(note: in case you are curious, none of that is either agreeing or disagreeing with what you posted... just thoughts I had in reading your post)



Great points!  I don't know what your views on the endtimes are, but it seems to me that even from a pre-trib rapture standpoint we should be opposing, not supporting the move towards Armageddon & One World Government.  That's why I say hats off to Irvin Baxter and Endtime for standing up against the National ID, which is an incremental step towards the mark of the beast.  I personally believe modern Zionism to be misguided, especially from a Christian viewpoint, and indeed, many orthodox Jews have strongly opposed the state of Israel.





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