im so sick and tired of these fake pentecostals these days! I have seen Girls (even on PZ) who cut their hair, wear pants, adorn themselves in their jewlery, but their pentecostals and heaven bound *rolls eyes*. Am i the only one who reads in the bible that it is a shame for a women to cut her hair for it is the glory of God? Am i the only one who reads that women should  not adorn themselves in Jewlery? Doesn't the bible say that women should not wear mens appearal?? i know what the bible says so don't tell me that those things aren't neccessary! I hate it when people say "oh well i just don't believe that" so stop claiming to be  saved! i also hate it when people are so quick to judge someone but they aren't living any better than bob a sinner down the street! geez talk about a hypocrite! I think this site is called pentecost zone am i right?? theres probably more hypocrites on here then actual people who OBEY the bible! i literally met someone on here who CUSSED! but they claim to be pentecostal. im sorry but if pentecostals are aloud to cut their hair and cuss then i must be something else...cuz i was taught those things were wrong. Am i the only one??

I see your point about other people.  But I've learned to live a life through example rather than only pointing out the world's evil.  Sure I have seen this in my life after being saved.  It's an ever present reality probably due to people not reading the Bible and taking to heart what it says.

In many ways, the Bible explains the world today and it is a world of lasciviousness. (Gal. 5:19)  But why are you so surprised?  These are the End of Days, which the Bible forwarns us about.  We can shout until we are blue in the face and because of God's strong delusion of the times, it's prevailing controversy shall persist.

I believe its time the Church calls sin, sin and that we no longer allow it to just sit on the pews as if it is not sin. The Church has clearly allowed this to happen, and she must get ready for the time draweth near, the bridegroom cometh.

With that said, I also believe we need to allow the Shephards to shephard and the sheep to fellowship. Does that mean that a sheep can not vent their frustrations over a lack of standards?  No I believe it allows for it in the right medium.

I absolutley get your point Martyr and I do not refute it as there is true goodness in it.  However on the otherside of the coin there is also a place were the spirit needs to stand up and be heard and let the enemy know we see you we know what your doing and we are not going to stand for it.

The Lord showed me something a few months back.  I was praying for away to approach someone over a certain issue and I did not want to offend. It was witnessing, not counsel in the church.

As I began to meditate on the Lord over it, the Lord spoke plainly to me that "Truth" will always offend.  Someone will always be offended by "Truth" no matter how well we salt it or disect it down.

Now with that said, we are not to purposely offend as the Word will offend all by itself. 

So take that for what it is worth.  There just has to be a place where the Church puts the enemy on notice. Not calling backsldiers the enemy, but the fact they are influenced by the enemy letting that force know we wont stand for it.

Doesnt mean we stop loving the backslider.  Doesnt mean we stop reaching for the backslider.  If we can not reach out to others who feel like we do and feel encouragement to continue on in our own journey, to stay the course, putting the enemy on notice, how else to we let others know we need some encouragement of our own. 

Soooo what am I saying.  Your both right.  IT was truth and truth will offend.  It was not said to offend, but what felt like seeking support that hey are not alone in their feeling.

I do sometimes dislike covering things in text as it loses its flavor and is very difficult to articulate in text.  God Bless

I have come across some Pentecostals on this site that were not Apostolic, but, in fact may be Trinitarian.  In order to be better witnesses, it may be better to witness to these people. 

Yes, there are others who are backslidden that still call themselves "Pentecostals" who are on this website.  We also don't want to kick someone when they are down.  If they are cussing on this website, please report it to the administrator.

I am for standards and boundaries, but sometimes, I see Pentecostals really getting nasty with each other on the subject of standards.  Even little bitty standards!!! 

Let's be careful when speaking about standards, especially if someone is backslidden.  It is better to let their pastor talk with them about standards.

I know that I am going to get negative feedback from this, but, sometimes we focus too much on standards instead of preaching the plan of salvation and/or getting the backslidder to re-establish their relationship with God.  THEN, that individual's pastor can deal with that person about the church's standards.

Yes and no.  Its not about the standards but it is about obedience.  Listen I agree with what you said to a certain level.

I believe there are many who look the part but they are clearly not part.  They play dress up. I also know there are many churches or people in churches today that are trying to clean the fish before they catch it.

Our job is to catch the fish and its the Lord's job to clean them up.  The Bible says come as you are but no where does it suggest to stay as you are.

Praise wont get you to Heaven, praise IS indeed what the Lord is worthy of.  The plan of salvation had no praise involved in it.  Praise is what we should give for the joy we have for each day the Lord has given us, for each heart beat for each breath.

You see praise is a sacrafice, or supposed to be.  Note its not a burden, but a sacrafice.  THe Word of God says he prefers obedience to sacrafice. 

THere is for sure a place where we should indeed praise the Lord of all, Jesus.  However, obedience is still a requirement.

God Bless

For some, it is harder to live right than for others, the reasons are not always the same. In many cases it is not that the person who is struuggling doesn't care about living right but has more to do with the influences that surround that person, wheather the influences are family or friends or both.  Many times people get more concerned with pleasing others than pleasing the lord. It is a Learning process to truly live for the lord no matter what others say, espessially when it someone important in your life and you are worried they will turn their backs on you for living right. I have learned recently, it doesn't matter what others think but only what the lord Jesus thinks.

Basically because Praise is a commandment for all.

Psa 150:6  Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

I've known many who were struggling with sin but still come to church and praise God, can they worship? No but praise? YES. A sinner can praise God for who he is but cannot worship God in sin.

The verse never said THEY THAT "PRAISE" HIM MUST PRAISE HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH. But it says

Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  

Praise is an action, Worship is a lifestyle. 

Now concerning the first post about people who "call themselves" Pentecostals. We ought not offend and hate the saints who fall but rather lift them up.

I say this: IF you are talking to someone on here and they do something contrary to our lifestyles and beliefs as apostolics, correct them quickly and you would have blessed that person.

Gal 6:1  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 

MY youth group is full of new converts and I take pride in that. They make a ton of mistakes, some of them curse others have worse problems but the fact that they named themselves pentecostal means alot to me because they are taking steps towards growth.

Give me a church full of new converts over a church full of old saints anyday. You can judge a church by the amount of new converts on on their pews. It means they are doing something right. 

But as a mother would not whip her 5 month old child for mesing in his diapers, we shouldnt attack the babes of christ for making mistakes.

Let those who are spiritual restore and build up those of lesser strength and they would have blessed the person rather than curse them.

Rom 15:1  We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 

I THINK YOU NEED TO DO A SPIRTAL ENVORTY ON YOUR LIFE BEFOR YOU

 JUDGE ANYONE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MUSIC YOU LISTEN TO godsmack

THATS A REALLY HOLY NAME DONT YOU THINK.

WWJD

SwordSaint we are as usual on the same page.

I feel the greatest errro made in churches today is the cleaning process.  Its not for the saints to do, its for God to do.  He uses teaching and preaching to accomplish this and not Meddlin Melody to tell someone that they have to do this or not do that if they are going to be part of this church.

Simply we are the fishermen, and God cleans them. 

The Bible says to take the Gospel, the Good News.  We need to let God do the changing and do what he told us to do and that was to go into all nations and compell them from the highways and the byways.  If we are obedient to his Word he will be faithful and provide a harvest.

Anyway, this is one of thing that gets in my crawl.  People work hard to witenss to win people to the Lord.  Lets not throw them back in the sea of forgetfulness because they do not line up with what you or I think they should look like. 

There is not model other than Christ.  Meaning, there are no books that say, ok at month 18 week 3 day 4 hour 9 they should look like this, talk like this and act like this. We each have our own journey.  Its personal and God uses the ministry to move us.  Each of us. 

Anyway, bottom line I will repeat.  You go catch the fish and let God clean them.  trust me your Pastor knows what he is doing, let him Pastor and let the sheep worry about being and begatting sheep.

Do you all realy read the scriptures in proper context or are you so blinded by the teachings and writting of church elders that you can't see what is right before your eyes.  Bro Ginder where do you get that our praise is a sacrifice?  And for that matter a sacrifice in OT was more an offering of praise than it was for sins comitted.  When David brought the ark back to Jerusalem were all the sacrifices he offered for sins for praise.

In New Testement our praise is not to be a sacrifice but given to God from a heart of joy for the things he has done.  

Bro Sword saint

Where in the world do you get that worship is a lifestyle?  Worship is to prostraite one self before God.  Any one can praise and any one can worship regardless of the out ward look.  All one has to do is have the faith that Christ died for their sins and accept that and God will hear their praise and worship.

It is statements like these that are the reason legalistic pentecostalism will never grow beyond a certain leval oh but then you don't want to because you are on the "narrow path and  few there be that find it" Yet my bible tells me God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.  funny thing about that any time God speaks about salvation it is all about faith and repentance.  Jesus said in John 3 "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wildreness so must the son of man.  THAT WHOSOEVER BELEIVETH should not perish." 

Its when man gets into the equation that all these rules and steps are placed as part of the plan of salvation.