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I seen a bumper sticker today that I wanted to say a little about in here. It read:
Honor the dead
Heal the wounded
End the war
Now I don't know if it was just me but i read that and instantly said to my self, " how can we do all three of these things if we just cut and run" Then I said to myself "we'll how are you going to honor the dead and heal the wonded if you just walk away without getting the job done" (i know, talking to myself like this is a bad thing. LOL)
But really how do people think that running away from iraq and basically giving up is going to honor the dead and heal the wounded. Wouldn't "ending the war" before it is won be telling the dead that "you died for nothing" wouldn't it be telling the wounded "Hey sorry that you lost your limbs for nothing"
I think to honor the dead and heal the wounded our nation would have to "stay the course", then at least the dead and the wounded would not feel like their sacrifice was for nothing.
Like I said, i don't know if that was what the bumper sticker was trying to imply or not, maybe it is just me thinking that is what it was implying i don't know.
Any thoughts?
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| POSTED BY: bikeman2 on 12/06/2006 22:53:05 |
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I don't have any thoughts but... I think you're right. Quitting now would be telling all the people that died, that they died for nothing. Sometimes you ARE forced to retreat or give up... I don't know. Wait... Was all I said a thought?! Lol
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| POSTED BY: nick on 12/07/2006 08:14:22 |
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Well i do not agree with ending the War yet, however, i do not think its a slap in the face to the dead and wounded. They did not die or become injured for nothing, they became a casuality for a cause, however, it was a poor plan. If we ever do win theis war, we need a new plan, that is obvious. If we continue on the coarse we are taking, they are going to die for nothing, because the current plan is going to fail, or rather already has, failed.
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hey now, iraqis are people too. We as christian have no right to say such things about them - they can be saved but at the same time, they must be brought down. (i woudl quote you but such harsh words need to be repeated). I believe the president is doing eveyrhting he can to make sure the terrorists think twice about doing something like 911 again and i think he has been prodictive with it. I have lost 2 friends in the war but that doesnt chagne the fact that its needed. 1 Samuel 30:4 Then David and the people that [were] with him lifted up their voice and wept, until they had no more power to weep.
1 Samuel 30:5 And David's two wives were taken captives, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite.
1 Samuel 30:7 And David said to Abiathar the priest, Ahimelech's son, I pray thee, bring me hither the ephod. And Abiathar brought thither the ephod to David.
1 Samuel 30:8 And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake [them], and without fail recover [all]. Are their casualties in war? of course, France was with the US for like a second but soon as they got attacked, they stopped and pulled back. Guess what? they are still be attacked. So is Britain and other countries who have not put halfthe effort into pursuing as we have. Our country is the youngest country on the Globe. How is it we are so free, so prosperous, and so powerful? #1: We are a nation under God and he has blessed us greatly #2. We have faught for that freedom and thats waht we are fighting for now All i can say right now is im praying for the president and leadership. Long as we pray and get behind whoever is in charge, God can bles their judgment and in turn bless the country. But if we curse and go agaisnt the ruler of the country, are we not also destroying ourselves? Im republican but if a democaratic president is in office, i will not curse him either or judge his stand - theres voting for that - but once he is in office, the best thing i can do is pray (sometimes harder in that case) that God will move on their hearts and bless their judgement in turn, blessing us as a country.
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| POSTED BY: bikeman2 on 12/07/2006 19:34:37 |
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I hate to break it to ya but they're not "worthless Iraqi trash" They're people too. They also DON'T deserve to go to hell. It's not they're fault they worship false gods... That's the way they were taught and raised. Btw, do you have any family or friends that died in Iraq? Not meaning to be nosey. I'm just asking.
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bikeman2 wrote:
I don't have any thoughts but... I think you're right. Quitting now would be telling all the people that died, that they died for nothing. Sometimes you ARE forced to retreat or give up... I don't know. Wait... Was all I said a thought?! Lol
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And letting more people die for some worthless Iraqi trash, is some how going to honor the dead? The dead don't know nothing! But the living do and so does their families. Iraqi's can take their false God worshiping selves straight to lake of fire where they belong.
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| POSTED BY: mbs86 on 12/08/2006 06:59:30 |
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I'm not trying to cause an uproar about this topic, but I was just competely dumbfounded by the statement that CIA stated. I know others have replyed back about it. How can you call other people trash and say to nuke them? Personally, I wonder where your heart is? They are souls and God created them just as much as he created us. Your statement about letting more people die for worthless Iraqi trash is just unbelievable. You friend, wouldnt have the freedoms you have today if it weren't for some soldier fighting for you. My father is a Vietnam Vetern, my grandpa was a World War 1 Veteran, my other grandpa a World War 2 veteran, they all fought for your freedom to the the harsh statment that you said. I will back up my country 100 percent. I am proud to be an American. War or no war. I just have to add in that you said letting more people die for worthless trash, well we are all trash. If it weren't for Jesus dying on the cross for our sins we would be just like the Iraqians. Instead of bashing them, pray for them. Thats what a Christian is suppose to be. After all Christian means " being Christ-like" sometimes we need to stop and ask the question, are my actions being like Christ and am I listening to the right spirit? To answer your question sir about the bumper sticker. I feel the only way we can honor the dead is to finish the war we started. I also feel that Americans have to quickly forgotten 9-11 and the reasoning for this war. Yes, there were signs that said We Shall Never Forget....well lets prove that! Lets pray for our country, president, and troops everyday! God Bless!
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CIA wrote:
(You) The whole Iraq situation is downright stupid. A lot of Americans have been killed or wounded for absolutely no purpose. Mothers and Fathers have lost sons and daughters for nothing. There's no purpose in Iraq, there's no honor to be had. What honor is there in being dead or missing a limb for nothing.
(Me) You have every right as a citizen of this country to have an opinion about whatever you want to. But could you do everyone else a favor and at lest let your opinions be based on reality? Do you have any idea what is going on over there? waht is going on over in the middle east is NOT nothing.
(You) It's not about American freedom. People that say their fighting and dying for American freedom are stupid! The operation is called, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" not Operation American Freedom.
(Me) Really?? Is your name John Kerry by chance? American soldiers that are fighting o ver their know exactly why we are
over there. Are you calling them stupid? We are over their because there is an evil in this world that ;want us (the U.S.) dead. We are over there
because there is a people that want to see the United States of America collapse to the ground.
(You) Why is our men and women dying and being permanently disabled for another country!
(Me) Because they signed a dotted line that said THEY wanted to serve their country in any way they could.
(You) If they want "FREEDOM" the citizens of that country should die and fight for it. American's had to die for their own freedom in 1775 - 1783 during the Revolutionary War.
(Me) Hey guess what, there is something I agree with you on. Yes they should also be fighting for it, but newsflash THEY ARE. Who do you suppose our troops are TRAINING over their right ;now? Those Iragies that are brave
to stand up for their country and sign their name on a dotted line.
(You) Freedom isn't appreciated unless people have to suffer and bleed for it.
(Me) Again there IS Iraqies that are fighting for their freedom.
(You) WHY IS AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN DYING FOR SOME DIRTY IRAQI TRASH . WHY IS AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MONEY GOING TO HELP SOME OTHER COUNTRY!
(Me) Funny you say "dirty iraqi trash" because that is EXACTLY what the radical muslims our brave men and women are fighting against are saying about you and I.
(You) I DON'T PAY TAXES, SO IT CAN GO TO BUILD A BETTER COUNTRY IN IRAQ.
(Me) NO you pay taxes so that an Am erican Military can safegaurd you and your&nb sp;
family from having to fight of radical i slam in your front yard.
(You) In 10 years I guarantee, Iraq be back in the same position again.
(Me) maybe, but I can quarantee you that if we leave without setting up iraq with a stable government than Iran is going to be in complete control of that area of the world and they WILL have a nuclear weapon that they WILL be able to blackmail every neighboring country with and in turn they WILL seek to completely collapse the America we know and love. But YOU keep on believing that "it's for nothing" ok.
(You) It don't matter what the United States does for them. Iraqi are worthless and don't have a fighting backbone they will never win against tyranny and terrorist, because they lack courage and desire to fight back.
(Me) So that's why millions of them risked their lives to go to the polls and vote, that's why many are signing up to stand against the insurgancy, becasue they are "worthless and don't have a fighting backbone". I think you should think again. They have more of a backbone then anyone that wants our soldiers to up and leave before winning the fight. You see the Iraqi people are much different than you or I, we do not have to live in fear of being blown up simply because we go
to the market. That is their everyday life. We don't understand that because we
live in a country that we don't have to worry about bombs going of in our Krogers or IGA's or our Walmarts. But hey, give it ten years if you& nbsp;get your way and our
troops leave without setting up a government in Iraq, you'll understand w hat it means to live like that.
(You)They wouldn't fight Saddam on their own, they wouldn't fight with us when we went in. They don't want freedom, they don't deserve freedom.
(Me) Who are you listening to, THEY FACED DEATH to vote for their freedom. When is the last time you faced death to do such a simple thing as vote?
(You) Honor the dead by saving the Living! Heal the wounded by providing them adequate financial support.
(Me) so you don't think that cutting and running tells them that their loss was for nothing. oh wait you think it was for nothing already.
(You) A lot of these military wounded, will suffer and struggle financially for the rest of their lives. Many will never have the ability, to do what they love or get jobs they desire.
(Me) Ya know what war is ugly, their is no denying that. But i have to say something,
I have all the respect in the world for the American soldier but bottom line is THEY placed their name on a dotted line knowing full well that there was a chance that they could be called to active duty in&n bsp;a war zone and if that happened ther e would be a chance that they could be killed or wounded. They signed the dotted line knowing full well that there might be a chance that they would not be able to have the job they wanted afterward or be able to do the things that they love. It is not YOUR decision to make for them now that it happened to them, they made that decision when they signed their name.
(You) Iraq is a worthless country and wish I had to power, to push the button and nuke Iraq into dust! To me Iraqis are nothing. God have mercy on their miserable souls!
(Me) I think others in this thread has adequatly stated my thoughts on this comment of yours.
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| POSTED BY: mbs86 on 12/08/2006 08:29:49 |
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Well said ingaldorf, well said. I agree with you 100%. Abosolutely! You are definitely right!!!
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ingaldorf wrote:
You see the Iraqi people are much different than you or I, we do not have to live in fear of being blown up simply because we go
to the market. That is their everyday life. We don't understand that because we
live in a country that we don't have to worry about bombs going of in our Krogers or IGA's or our Walmarts. But hey, give it ten years if you& nbsp;get your way and our
troops leave without setting up a government in Iraq, you'll understand w hat it means to live like that.
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Looks like we may not be waiting ten years before we start understanding how radical islam wants to see us dead just for being American. Seems like it may already be happening according to this report. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_re_us/terror_arrest Thanks goes to "Pan_Head" for the link, it was posted in "The World is Crazy" forum. I just had to borrow it because I had just wrote the above last night or the night before about this exact thing happening here in our own country.
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| POSTED BY: nick on 12/10/2006 07:18:15 |
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As far as our purpose in Iraq goes, many have speculated upon this. I think oil had a lot to do with it, that is the firt thing we did pretty much. However, paraphrasing from a nobel winner, silence helps the opressor, never the opressed. This man is Eli Wiesel. Very smart man, a Jew in Nazi Germany.
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