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POSTED BY: Rockin4Jesus on 12/28/2009 08:36:55


Mr. Derick, I cannot understand you. Every verse and opinion you have given me I have explained and refuted by giving multiple scriptures to back my view--all of which support the Oneness doctrine. However, instead of either acknowledging what was being presented or continuing on in the debate, you chose to fall back on verses you had already mentioned and insist on my ignorance. Yet, I come to another forum and find that you are debating the same topic with the same verses. Please, refer yourself to the Oneness Doctrine forum (our conversation in particular), your Bible, and our God. 

Sir, I do not want to argue any further with you here or on any other forum.

I feel as though this post (meaning the post I am currently typing) is somewhat mean or rude, or something along those line, but please be assured that I did not mean any negativity, which is why I will continue with its publication. "Tearing down" was not the intention of this post. I am truly sorry if you feel as though it was. If it is any consolation, I am no longer going to engage in any "hot" topics, just because I do not want to fight with fellow believers and friends...haha...unless I absolutely cannot help myself...then God will have to help me! hahaha :)

Raquel





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POSTED BY: derick on 12/28/2009 23:16:40


first off everyone on the zone, i don't care if your mad at me. just let the Word of God be your final answer.

1 Timothy 3:16 And withouth controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Jesus) was manifest in the flesh,(refers to the Incarnation of  Chrst.John1:1,14), justified in the Spirit,(divine vindication, endorsed, proved, and pronounced by the Holy Spirit).

Jesus is God! Trinitarians believe Jesus is God, we don't deny that at all.

Jesus is not though God, the Father, (first person in the  Divine Trinity),

Here are some more proofs Jesus is not God, the Father.

Jesus called God My Father 57 times in the Word of God(Rev.2:7). How could He be His own God and Father and beget Himself?

The Father knew things Jesus did not know( Mk. 13:32, Acts 1:7)

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not the Father, Himself( Jn.5:17-35)

Jesus called the Father My God even after the resurrection(Jn.20:17,  Rev. 3:12)

John the Baptist knew the Father, but he did not know the Son( Jn.1:31-34).

so look at those verses, tell me about them.

now it seems that you were trying to tell me by that verse (1 Tim.3:16), that Jesus is the Holy Ghost? If that is what you were trying to tell me then i got to  correct you because that's wrong.

Holy Spririt not Jesus or the Father:

The Holy Spririt is another from both the Father and the Son(Jn.5:32:14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7-15).

He (the Holy Spirit) could not be sent from God until Christ was glorified, but would then be sent from both the Father and the Son(Jn.7:37-39; Acts 2:33-34)

The Son can be blasphemed with forgiveness possible; but if the Spirit be blasphemed no forgiveness is possible. This proves two distinct persons( Mt. 12:31-32; Mk.3:29-30; Lk 12:10).

The Holy Ghost came not to speak of or glorify Himself, but to speak of and glorify Jesus( Jn.16:7-15).

 

(John 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

If we want to know what God is like, we need only look at the Son. Jesus didn't say Im the Father, He said. He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.  Here's an example, when people see me( derick) hopefully they see Christ. When you see Christ, you'll see the Father, but it doesn't mean Jesus is God the Father. (John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time(means "No man has ever comprehended or experienced God at any time in all His fullness"); the only begotten Son(Jesus Christ and the Incarnation Who Alone could perfectly declare the Father), which is in the bosom of the Father(Proclaims the most intimate and loving fellowship with the Father), he hath declared(Gr.exogeomai, revealed,expounded; our "exegesis") him.

Reposting this, Learn what (Elohim) in the plural means

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

We must distinguish between two kinds of unity: "absolute" unity,and "Compound" unity. The expression " one man" conveys the thought of absolute unity, because we refer to one person.  But when we read that man and his wife shall be one(Heb. Echad) flesh (gen 2:24), that is a "compound untiy", because a union of two persons is meant. compare also (ezra 3:1) Ezek.37:17); which scriptures employ the same word for "one"  (Heb. Echad) as used in Deut. 6:4.

A different word ( Yachidh) is used to convey the idea of absolute oneness. (Gen.22:2;12) ( Amos 8:10) (Jer. 6:26) ( Zech.12:10) Prov. 4:3) Judges (11:34).

what kind of unity is referred to in Deut. 6:4? From the fact that the word "our God" is in the Plural ( Elohim), it is then a compound untiy. THe doctrine of the Trinity teaches the unity of God as a compound unity, including three Divine Persons united in eternal and essential unity.

I and my Father are one , how are they one? ONE IN UNITY,AND PURPOSE.

questions i want you to answer for me.

Prov. 30:4 Just tell me Who is Jesus' Son?

 





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POSTED BY: derick on 01/12/2010 04:33:25


Your words in black mine in the other color

Trinitarian Doctrine incorrectly claims, that there are 3 divine separate entities within the Godhead, They also believe these 3 beings, are Co-Existant, Co-Eternal, and Co-Equal. Yet they fail to realize that the First Commandment is being broken within the doctrine: Thou Shalt have no others Gods before or beside me, pretty much. ( I have never read that verse, in the Bible, because it is not in there. The correct KJV is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus20:3) Your G was capitalized.

One thing that you all should realize, even if you believe in 3 different beings.(I believe in 3 different persons because that is what the Bible teaches. 1 John5:7, 2nd Johnv.3 God the Father, And The Holy Spirit have no power whatsoever.( The Father and the Holy Ghost have no power?   ( Acts 1:8 ye shall recieve power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you. Acts 4:23-33, the church was praying to God, the Father( not Jesus) they were thanking God for giving Jesus(v.27),   then in (v.31) filled with the Holy Ghost, and (v.33) they had great power... ( Romans 15:19,  Eph. 1:15-19)  All power under heaven and earth is Given unto the Son.( The Father gave all power to the Son after He acheived redemption. It had been His equally with the Father and Holy Spirit before becoming man, but He had become limited while being a man( Lk2:40, 52; Phil.2:7, John8:28,Now His glory is restored(Mt.28:18,  John17:5, Eph.1:20-23; Col.1:15-18.  They can pray to whoever or whatever they want,(NO we must pray to the Father, in Jesus' name(authority) praying to other things is idolatry(ex.20:3) but until they recognize who has the power and who is He truly is,(Jesus, the Son of God, the Mediator between God and man 1Tim.2:5 they will not and shall not be saved.(We must understand who Jesus is, by what the Bible says not by man made doctrine (1 John 2:22)

Isaiah 43:11 KJV I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.( Did you read all of Isaiah! read the Ch. 42, Who was the Lord's servant? (Isa. 42:1-4; Mt.12:17-21).  Isaiah 43:10, ... I am he.. 

Now "he" I am he the pronoun He is used in Scripture of a unit of a number of individuals at times.

Israel called him, his, her and she ( Dt.32:10; Mic.3:8; Jer.31:10, Ps.25:22, Rev.12:1-5,14)

the Church called he (2 The. 2:7, Eph.2:15, 4:13)

If singular pronouns are thus used of the Church and Israel, each being made up of many individuals, the same can surely be true of the Divine Trinity of more than one individual or person.

So within that scripture, who is your saviour? (My Saviour is Jesus, God's Son (John 3:16)How can Jesus the Son be the saviour, when God the Father states he alone is saviour?( God, the Father gave His Son (Is.42:1-5, Do you think Jesus couldn't had spoken at all in the O.T.?

Also no where in the bible does it say "God the son" only "Jesus the Son of God."(2nd John v.3, " Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. )

If your mad don't be mad at me, this is the Word of God, we must search the scriptures, and study to show ourselves approved, God bless . and hopefully you will study this out.




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POSTED BY: BornAgainBeliever on 01/24/2010 02:30:51


OH my goodness Derik you cannot seriously  be that stupid. You are so full of false doctrine, I think you need to get your head examined. You are a bit confused.

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POSTED BY: Marvin on 01/24/2010 06:20:59


Its funny.

He used Scripture and you say he has False Doctrine.

Maybe a good deal of study should be added to your daily schedule





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POSTED BY: mitch on 02/08/2010 08:16:31


OH my goodness Derik you cannot seriously  be that stupid. You are so full of false doctrine, I think you need to get your head examined. You are a bit confused.
-BornAgainBeliever said that

False doctrine???  What kind of Bible are you using?? You Must be twisting the word, DERICK USED THE WORD ON EVERYTHING!! Yes the truth.





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POSTED BY: laromans12 on 03/18/2010 09:20:32



derick wrote:

Genesis1:26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over .....

Gen 1;27. So God created them in his own image, (not in the image of angels )in the image of God( Elohim Plural) created he him; male and female created he them. once again, learn what Elohim and plural means.

John 14:23, Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

what does WE mean?

Please answer me this question guys.

First you need to look up the verses in the hebrew or greek t see that the word you are arguing over are not even in the book.  They were added by the translaters.

Proverbs 30:4. Who hat ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gatered the win in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what his son's name, if thou canst tell?  

Tell me what is Jesus' Son's name? Because I never read in the Word of God that Jesus had a son. But if it is Jesus only, then please tell me who is Jesus' Son?

The Bible may not say Trinity. But it sure does teach it. The Bible may not say Rapture either,(Latin word, for Harpazeo) but it teaches it too.

I hope you eat of the Word of God daily because we all need the Word of God.daily.

Jesus didn't teach he was God the Father either. Who was in Heaven while Jesus was on earth. Jesus didn't ascend up to heaven, and back, Read John20:17.,

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